It’s shocking in this world we live in, where you can’t even beat up an old lady in her home without submitting a health and safety application because you might hurt yourself breaking and entering and could sue the local council.

What has modern life come to? If you want to walk down the street, you can’t even kick an empty tin can without first making sure the can’s OK with you kicking it. So thank God for this rational conversation about the matter between these two great thinkers of our time.